Oh boy do I
love to ask that question, or any permutation of it. “How much ya bench/squat/deadlift/press/etc”. Why? Because
whenever I’m asking that question, it’s immediately after someone has given a
LOT of advice on that movement. And what
do I get? Silence, re-direction,
insults, indepth explanations on how that doesn’t matter, poor analogies,
etc. Very rarely do I actually get a
number back. Why? Because these people are charlatans that are
all too willing to give advice but totally unwilling to provide examples of
their own success in following this advice.
People are all too willing to open their mouths at any opportunity but
once it comes time to put money where their mouth is, they back off and bring
up the defense mechanisms. Here’s a
thought; if you are unwilling to answer this question, you should be unwilling
to provide advice on the matter.
I realize I am dating myself with this reference
“But coaches
aren’t always the best athletes!” Shut up: you sound stupid right now. Know what my follow-up question is whenever I
hear that defense? “Cool story bro: how
many people have you trained and what do THEY bench?” Because the best coaches didn’t BECOME the
best coaches by just reading a lot of online abstracts and then spewing out
theories; they tested out their ideas on themselves and their athletes, refined
the process, and produced RESULTS.
Theories are meaningless without data to back them up, and you parroting
greatness doesn’t in turn make YOU great.
That’s a cheap trick used by people who are incapable of original
thought or success. If you want to play
the coach defense, then be a coach.
But
furthermore, let’s go on to explore more about refusing to give an answer. What does THIS prove? Shame.
Absolute shame in one’s own lacking accomplishment. I’m far from the strongest dude ever, but I
take pride in what I’ve done and how hard I’ve worked to get there, and if
someone asks me the question of what I lift, I’ll share it. Hell, I’ll give them a video if I have
one. I’m not ashamed of what I’ve done,
and I’m willing to let my results speak for themselves. If YOU are unwilling to do the same, ask
yourself what that means about your own confidence in your advice.
Although sometimes confidence isn't all that great
Look; not
everyone deserves to give advice. I know
this is upsetting in a world where people want to cry “free speech” any time
they are challenged, but the truth is, all opinions AREN’T equal, and some ARE
more valuable than others. You submitting
your opinion on training is only muddying the waters and diluting the pool of
good information. Yes; even if you have
good intentions. Yes; even if you are
quoting the experts. People screw up
what the experts say ALL the time. Do
you know how many times I cringe seeing people talk about “accessory” exercises
in 5/3/1? I went through and control+f’d
all the books I had from Jim; he doesn’t use that word. How about how much people jack up the
Westside Method, especially considering these people never actually TRAINED at
Westside? How about people that talk
about “Coach Smolov” like he ever actually existed? How about people that took Bill Starr’s 5x5
program for football players and decided to apply it to lifelong couch potatoes? Let me put it simply; you’re not helping.
Meanwhile,
those that succeeded tend to “get it”, even if they lack the cited sources and
peer reviewed studies to back it up.
They “get” what Wendler means when he says you can build maximal
strength with sub-maximal weights. They “get”
the difference between straining and testing when it comes to the max effort
method. They “get” how you can still
make progress even if you aren’t training a muscle group the idealized amount
of times a week. They “get” the
difference between effective cheating and poor form compared to ineffective
training. There’s a certain level of
understanding that simply cannot exist purely academically; it needs to be
experienced and replicated in order to be understood. Many times, these guys that are moving heavy
weight “in spite of themselves” are intuitively familiar with the exact
concepts you feel that they are unaware of.
They may not have read it in a study, but it’s there.
Some dudes may not have even had internet access when they got jacked
Does this
mean you always have to be stronger than the person you’re giving advice
to? Not at all. Again, we’ve seen super strong athletes
coached by weaker coaches. However, what
this DOES mean is that you have to be unashamed of your own accomplishments if
you’re willing to advise others. You
have to be willing to proudly produce an answer when asked “how much ya bench”,
and gladly let the number stand on its own.
You have to be willing to say “this is my advice, and this is my proof
that it is good advice”. And if you can
only say half of that sentence, you shouldn’t say any of it.
Until you
are willing to do that, don’t give advice; listen to the advice of those who
ARE willing to give an answer.
I still remember a joke about good advice: it costs nothing and it's worth the price. Great rant as always.
ReplyDeleteThat's a solid quote. I'll have to remember it. Much appreciated!
DeleteAll of it.
ReplyDeleteHey Punisher. In your T Nation log you mention "accumulation/intensification dynamic" (March 3rd). Any chance you can expand on this? Such as, how long is each phase,%s and rep schemes used, how effective is it at building strength? Thanks. Jen
ReplyDeleteHey Jen,
DeleteLike most training, I don't give it much thought, haha. Essentially, if I have no contest on the horizon, I'm accumulating. Once a contest shows up, I'll start intensification 8 weeks out. Since it's strongman, %s and rep schemes aren't quite applicable. For example; I have a keg carry medley coming up in a show, so I started the phase doing suicide keg runs with a 182lb keg and 100lb keg. I started with the 100lb keg, ran it twice, then finished the medley with the 182lb keg (so 3 runs per medley). I'd run 4 medleys a day. I eventually worked up to running the entire medley with the 182lb keg. I THEN worked up to running the entire medley while wearing a 45lb weight vest (starting with wearing the vest for 1 run, then 2, all the way to 4). The entire time, I'm pushing the weight up higher and higher, but once this show ends I'm going to throttle way back on the weight I'm carrying to give my body a break.
Other areas will have me switch from general to specificity. For event work in the off season, I'll rotate through a variety of movements, and in doing so won't spend much time intensifying. Once a show comes up, I'll stick with one movement and start really dialing in the weight higher and higher.
The off season is very effective for strength building, while the intensification is good for strength realization. At least, from my own perspective.
Aaaaahh. Right. Got it. And that example highlights how important competition is at giving a focus and reason to your training.
DeleteOn another note, I'm taking a hiatus from the online forums and articles. Too much contradictory information and misinformation. Too many training logs on T-nation have become unreadable because of the "one liners" and non training related material. I'll still keep up with your blog/log though because it cuts through the crap and values consistency and hard, hard work above everything.
I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one getting sick of it. I've been enforcing a "no memes" policy on my log, but I'm with you; I've stopped reading a LOT of the site because it's just become a competition to see who can post the dumbest thing the fastest. I blame the influx of younger trainees. They turned the forum into social media. Appreciate maintaining you as a reader; I'll do my best to keep earning that respect.
DeleteSeriously though, this was my biggest issue when I started learning to run. So much conflicting information out there from "you need to build a base first, so just run", to "if you run more and slower you'll run faster" to "do sprints!" to some other stuff. No one said "this is how I got there", it was all "studies showed . . ." and when I tried to explain that sprinting actually made me run faster for a distance, people were perplexed, because, well, "that's not the study".
ReplyDeleteAlso, there weren't any distance or time frames associated with any of this, just, "sprints aren't as efficient for building speed", which is odd, because when I did them, the results were immediate.
Now, the odd thing is, I think all of that information is correct, because I have done all three and have made amazing progress for having no cardio ability, but the benefits just kicked in at totally different times. Which I think is another mistake internet coaches make; they don't consider where the trainee is, fitness wise, before giving advice, to know if its even the right advice for that situation.
In general, if the first response from an advice giver isn't a question about the advice receiver, the advice isn't going to be worthwhile. Most people are in a rush to flex their big brains rather than actually find out anything about the person they're trying to "help".
DeleteReally enjoyed this article reading this blog and Alpha's log on T-Nation are full of good reality checks
ReplyDeleteAppreciate that dude; it means a lot.
DeleteThis might be your best work
ReplyDeleteThanks man! It's still been rewarding to me. I was glad to have written it.
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