With a new
year looming, I figure why not provide a vector for those in need. In truth, the title for this blog entry comes
from the comment of someone who read my “experience of an oaf” post, who remarked
that they were a big fan of my “brute force and ignorance” approach to
training. As much as I disdain attempts
to summarize complex ideas into bite sized sound bites, it struck me that I had
probably never seen a more accurate synopsis of what I am about. It rang true to such an extent that I was
upset I hadn’t thought to name the blog that in the first place. And so with that, why not dive a little bit
further to explore how we got here, and what it means for the future.
I'm normally more a Juggernaut man, but the Blob seems a little more appropriate here
I’m going to
cop to this; I am intentionally ignorant.
I practice ignorance, and have learned to be ignorant in the face of
access to a wide variety of information.
However, when people view the end result of this, they seem to interpret
this to mean that I’ve simply not been exposed to the information that is
available on training. People will see
my expressed views on training and do me the service of linking me to some pubmed
abstract, or ask if I saw the latest youtube guru’s thesis on rep scheme, or the
inexplicable proof of the exact amount of growth a natural lifter can obtain,
etc etc. Yes, of course I’ve seen them;
I saw them all when they came out 10 years ago.
And before that, I read the ones that came out 10 years before
that.
I saw all
these things, and I lived my life by them…and made the worst progress
ever. I made the exact same mistakes all
these people linking me are in the process of making and don’t even realize it;
trying to train by the information dictated in these studies which may not
actually apply to me in my current situation.
What was I really trying to do? I
was looking for the shortcut of course.
I was looking for the way to optimize my training and eek out the
maximal amount of growth with the minimal amount of effort and squeeze those
gains out for all that they were worth. What was I missing? The fact that, even IF optimization was
possible, the net gain between optimal training and suboptimal training is so microscopically
small that it’s statistically insignificant.
Results simply take time to achieve, but know what is great about
that? It means everything works; you
just have to try!
A body built with methods that don't work
It’s the
truth, and everyone hates to hear it. It’s
really really hard to train wrong. “But
what about bro-splits?!” you scream? For
one, you sound stupid; don’t call anything a “bro-split”, but secondly, are you
referring to the way that EVERYONE trained in the 80s and 90s? The very split you simultaneous shame by
referring to it as “bro” anything but also praise because it explicitly does
exactly what it’s meant to do and develops “bro muscles”? Wanna know what happens when you follow it
for 10 years? You get bigger and
stronger. Wanna know what happens when
you follow HIT for 10 years? You get
bigger and stronger. Westside
Barbell? Yup. DoggCrapp?
Uh huh. 5/3/1? You got it.
People want you to believe you can train wrong because it benefits THEM
to sell you that line of crap, because trying to sell “hard work for a long
time” just doesn’t have a good ring to it.
And neophytes and zealots online scream at you for not training THEIR
way because it damages their psyche to see people succeeding with a method that
isn’t theirs.
And here we
arrive at “brute force”. It’s not just
about ignoring technique and grinding through weak points (although there is
plenty of that), but it’s about MAKING things work. Why was my training so bad when I was doing
everything “right”? Because there was no
heart in it, no spirit; the “human” element was removed. Everything was mechanical and calculated and
precise…and I couldn’t stand it. There
was no room for passion and emotion, no opportunity to just cut loose and see
what I could do, and in turn I was spinning my wheels and not putting in the
effort where it needed to happen. And
then, I went back to what I “knew” worked…and it worked. And what I knew worked was all of those
things I had heard for years from other successful lifters that had, in turn,
been declared “broscience” but the internet collective…as though that were a
bad thing. If it works, it works, and if
it doesn’t, maybe you’re “doing it wrong”….but who cares? It’s not working. Go make something else work.
Look at that, you CAN get results with only 20 reps of squats; they just have to be done all at once...with your 10rm
You make
training work for you; not the other way around. You will things to work. You will recovery to happen, you will muscles
to grow, you will injuries to heal; its brute force of the mind. And with enough brute force, it WILL
work. And if it’s not working, force it
harder. Wanna get a stronger deadlift
without deadlifting? You make it
happen. Stronger grip while using
straps? Make it happen. All those things people say can’t work will
work with enough brute force.
For 2018,
why not bring a little more ignorance and brute force into your life? How about a year where you forget what you
know, do something stupid, and do it so hard that it works? And hey, maybe if it doesn’t work, you can go
write-up a study and have it published so everyone else can learn from it?
Hey, here' s a start
Happy New
Year!
People seem to forget that with properly applied effort everything works to a point. Jamie lewis shrugged 600+ multiple days a week, which is the definition of brute force and ignorance. Despite the advice of any internet guru it still worked well enough to set deadlift and squat records because the passion and intensity were still there.
ReplyDeleteMaybe after empire ill switch gears and do some completely moronic shit like bugenhagen, could be fun and i might learn something!
Seems like Bugenhagen would be right up your alley. I'd love to hear your experiences. I'm planning on doing something equally as stupid with Jon Anderson's "Deep Water" training plan. I might have to learn how to clean, haha.
DeleteI've seen Andersen's cleans. Brute force and ignorance is a fairly good description of them.
DeleteLook at the clean work of guys 50 years ago. It was an upright row and a bit of a jump under.
DeleteWait...that's NOT how you do a clean? Hahaha.
DeleteHappy New Year! any competitions/ training milestones you'd like to hit?
ReplyDeleteThanks dude. I don't tend to ascribe goals to years/timelines. I'm still chasing the same 800lb deadlift. It'll happen when it happens.
DeleteHell yes. Here's to brute force and ignorance in 2018.
ReplyDeleteWR
Cheers dude. Maybe we can make some hats and t-shirts, haha.
DeleteAs per usual, it seems like many on Reddit missed the point of willful ignorance, or maybe they just read only the part about "do something stupid and see if it works" and missed the bigger picture.
DeleteI read this (or read into it...) as ignorance without the negative connotation--the simple state of not being informed.
This made me think about two things. The first, things that we know work that we've known have worked since, I dunno, all of time? Or at least the 1950s. The second was all of the things that I "learned" that messed me up, and how that is really the essence of willful ignorance. Prove to me that this idea has merit beyond the things we already inherently know, and will make a meaningful difference over 10 years.
Things we've always known about getting big, jacked, and strong:
1. Effort is king.
2. Train with some specificity to your goal. Powerlifters should spend a decent amount of time benching, squatting, and deadlifting in some format, strongman need to train the competitive events in some format, etc.
3. Train with a variety of modalities. Compounds and isolations, across rep ranges, with accommodating resistance, different ROMs, etc. A significant weakness in one area is likely to hold you back in another.
4. Be in shape. Doesn’t much matter how you get there, but a functioning aerobic system (heart and lungs) is key to being jacked and strong and doing so for a decent amount of time (eg. 10+ years).
5. Consistency. Lift, condition, and eat with great effort and consistency for at least 12-16 weeks to see ANY difference at all, then for about 10 years after that to actually achieve anything meaningful.
Anything I'm missing?
WR
Thankfully a lot of people understood it, but there are a few hold outs who just DESPERATELY want it to be wrong and will use any sort of insane sophism to get there. I can't tell if maybe them ignoring what I wrote is some sort of ironic approach to my own intentional ignorance.
DeleteI think that is a good base there. On the "be in shape", I'd include a subsection about how you need to actively move your body through space, because I know tons of people who will just lift weights with short rest periods to get in shape, and in turn miss out on the sort of athleticism that comes with movements. Even as the oaf that I am, I still try to get used to moving at different angles.
And for consistency of eating, along with great effort, I'd throw in Dan John's "eat like an adult" idea.
IT's a super solid list. Would carry people a long way.
Ironic approach to intentional ignorance....my god that really would be something.
DeleteI'm all for those additions.
Re: eating like an adult, have you seen this video? It made the rounds over summer and I found it good for a laugh.
https://youtu.be/5Ua-WVg1SsA
WR
I DID see that video. Such a classic. Never trust the government for food advice, haha.
DeleteI have never read the studies on why this thing or that thing works. Should i be? I have gotten much more value out of reading Tsatsouline or Bud Jeffries or Convict Conditioning and applying principles of those to my training, rather than what was determined to be "optimal" after two months because training in my mind has usually been something that takes years.
DeleteI would rather trust coaches who have trained athletes for years or people who have said "this works for me and got me here"
Only just read this.
ReplyDeleteWhy was my training so bad when I was doing everything “right”? Because there was no heart in it, no spirit; the “human” element was removed. Everything was mechanical and calculated and precise…and I couldn’t stand it. There was no room for passion and emotion, no opportunity to just cut loose and see what I could do, and in turn I was spinning my wheels and not putting in the effort where it needed to happen.
This was me! Between reading Jamie Lewis' and your blog Ive opened my eyes to why I havent been getting stronger recently and why I was stronger in the past. Too much calculating this and that and worrying about what split was best and what exercises instead of just going fucking hard whenever I trained.
Fantastic that you made this discovery dude! You're well on your way to healing.
DeleteI know this is an old post but I just started reading your blog this week, been going through 5-10 posts a day. I've had a lot of thoughts about that exact idea of training with ignorance, glad I'm not the only one. I'm about to get real weird with my training during this corona thing, 17 total mins of planks today just to fill up some rest times
ReplyDeleteHell yeah dude. Great to hear. This was one of my favorite posts to write: glad you enjoyed reading it.
DeleteHonestly your blog changed the way I think about working out, i read much less about fitness and no longer spend my time trying to analyze studies and listening to podcasts where people debate volume and RPE. Brute force and ignorance is the most beautiful bit of training philosophy i have ever heard of.
ReplyDeleteIt really makes my day when I hear stuff like that dude: that's so awesome. I'm happy to hear that you're finding a way forward that works for you. There's too much talk out there and not enough doing.
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