In
continuing with my adventures into Jon Andersen’s Deep Water training, I took
on the intermediate program from his book, with a few changes. This was challenging like the beginner
program, but in a different manner, and the results were still very awesome.
BRIEF PROGRAM
OVERVIEW
You basically walk around like this for 3 out of the 6 weeks
You basically walk around like this for 3 out of the 6 weeks
You can buy
the ebook this program is in for $10 on amazon, or get it for free off Jon
Andersen’s Instagram account, so I’m not going to spell out the whole thing
here. For a recap though, it’s 4 days a
week of lifting. 3 of those days feature
a 100 rep workout (a squat or deadlift, a powerclean and a press or push press)
with some other moves, and 1 day is a bench workout. There is a 5th day for
conditioning. In weeks 1-2, you get the
100 reps done 10x10, week’s 3-4, it’s 100 reps in 9 sets, weeks 5-6, 100 reps
in 8 sets.
WHAT MAKES IT
DIFFERENT
Same but different
Same but different
The beginner
program was about staying at 10x10 for the big days and focusing on reducing
rest times from 4 minutes between sets to 2 minutes between sets. This, as you can imagine, sucks. The intermediate program was about hitting
the same total number of reps (100) but using 10x10 the first time, 9 sets the
second time, and 8 sets the third time.
As you can also imagine, this ALSO sucks, but differently. Rest times stay at 4 minutes per set the
first 2 times, and you are granted as much rest as needed to get through the 8
sets on the final stretch, just so long as you get it.
In addition,
there is 1 extra 100 rep day in here compared to the Beginner program. The
beginner program had a “back day” that was more bodybuilder-esque, whereas this
one uses a back day based around 100 reps of power cleans. This means you spend 3 days a week working
with 100 reps (A squat or deadlift day, a clean day, and a press or push press
day) and 1 day doing a bodybuilder style chest workout.
Other
factors to consider are that the lunges have been removed from the lower body
days and replaced with box jumps on the deadlift heavy day and hyperextensions
on the squat heavy day.
WHAT I DID
DIFFERENTLY
Because I'm an individual, just like everyone else
Because I'm an individual, just like everyone else
Whereas with
the Beginner program I tried to stick with the source material as closely as
possible, with this one I made a few more deviations. In part, this is because I couldn’t quite
understand some of the decisions made with the program. In the book, the trainee is supposed to push
press 5 out of the 6 pressing days, with a strict press workout in the final
week. I preferred to stick with the
beginner structure of alternating push press and press days per week. In addition, between weeks 3-6, the squat and
deadlift days quit alternating, and you end up doing 2 squat workouts back to
back on consecutive weeks with the deadlift workouts book ending it. I honestly
thought these were just transcription errors, because it wasn’t consistent with
how the other training programs were built, so I stuck with alternating each
week.
However, the
biggest changed I made was in weights used.
Jon prescribed 70% of your 10rm for weeks 1-2, and then 80% for weeks
3-6. Having just come off the beginner
program, 70% with 4 minutes rest for weeks 1-2 woulda been a massive step
back. However, 80% for the next 4 weeks
ALSO appeared insurmountable. So I
compromised and stuck with a hard 75% throughout the program. It was challenging and absolutely awful, and
I can only imagine what sort of animal could’ve made the jump to 80%. This is why I put the asterisk by the title,
as it technically was not the intermediate program, and in my own training log
I called it the “intermediate bridge”, closing the gap between the two.
Other small
changes are that I replaced the hyperextensions with reverse hypers, I did all
the ab work separate from the main exercise (lift in the morning, abs in the
evening), and my lightweight technique work for the lowerbody days was done
AFTER the heavy workout, rather than before.
I added 100 band pull aparts on my overhead pressing days. For the conditioning work, I stuck with using
the prowler. These were just personal
preferences.
NUTRITION
This was pretty much me for 6 weeks
This was pretty much me for 6 weeks
I discussed
nutrition in my previous write-up, and nothing much changed here. Still went with the “no carbs, all proteins
and fats” approach prescribed by Jon.
Only real interesting game change here is that I implemented a legit
cheat meal the evening before the last squat workout wherein I had 5 slices of
stuff crust pizza. I did this because
thanksgiving fell during this training cycle and I enjoyed a good meal there
that wasn’t quite cheat meal status, but still significant, and I observed my
next training day being very successful, so I decided to implement this as a
nutritional trump card. I think it’s
worth undertaking if you run the program, but only for the squat workout. I wouldn’t make it a regular occurrence. And, once again, I ate unrestricted as far as
portion sizes went. It was basically
impossible to overeat on the program.
RESULTS
Deep Water has a proven track record of making you unstoppable
Deep Water has a proven track record of making you unstoppable
I started
the program at 202.2lbs bodyweight, and my heaviest weight reached was
205.6. This is a much smaller weight
gain compared to the 10lbs I put on running the beginner program, but it’s also
the heaviest I’ve been in about a decade, and I’m much leaner than I typically
am at this weight (and also means I’ve put on 13lbs in 12 weeks). My abs are blurry, but the telltale sign for
me of fat gain is love handles, and usually by 202lbs they start spilling over
my jeans, but right now I still have straight lines on my sides. Lower back fat is accumulating, so the
handles will be here soon if I keep pushing the weight up, but still in a
better place than usual, and I’m still fitting a size 31” waist jeans. Also worth keeping in mind that I’ve had zero
dietary restriction as far as portion sizes go.
For 12 weeks now, I’ve been able to eat as much as I want, whenever I
want, with minimal concern of fat gain.
If you like eating, that’s awesome.
As far as
lifts go, the program carried me all the way through. I went from squatting 290lbs 10x10 to
finishing with 290 for 1x16 and 7x12.
Deads went 365 10x10 to 100 in 8 sets.
Similar results for cleans, presses and push presses. I started benching 3x10 at 266lbs and
finished 2x10 and 1x7 at 286lbs, going from 4 minutes rest between sets to 2
minutes rest between sets.
What’s of
more particular interest is that this was my first time seriously power
cleaning since…ever. And though I’m
still awful at it, 100 reps a week, performed under a significant amount of
fatigue, really forced me to get good at them.
I have a much better understanding/appreciation of triple extension than
I did before, and this in turn showed up in the push presses. I had the best push press workout of my life
the very training session for them, going 4x13 and 4x12, because I was so
exhausted I couldn’t rely on strength to move the weight so I suddenly
discovered every single trick I could to get to lockout. This is especially so because the push
presses are the workouts AFTER 100 reps of squats, so my legs would always be
shot and I’d have zero hope of using them, instead having to rely on my hips
and ankles to get things moving.
But
honestly, all this pales in comparison to the psychological growth of the
program. I like to think of myself as
pretty tough, and this program honestly broke me. Specifically, the squats. I never much cared for them in the first
place, and after blowing out my ACL they’ve REALLY become something I can’t
stand. After doing the very first 10x10
workout, the sheer thought of having to get it done in 1 fewer set in 2 weeks
filled me with dread. I’d honestly get
upset when the next workout in the program rolled around, because it meant I
was now 1 workout closer to the NEXT squat workout. I’d catch myself thinking about it and feel
my heart racing. I did the second squat
workout in the program and just about quit on the first set of 12, because I
could not get my heart to stop beating and I was sweating way too much for just
1 set. I had anxiety and fear and a
whole bunch of emotions I was genuinely not accustomed to for training.
However,
after THAT workout was done, a switch flipped in my head. Don’t get me wrong: I still racked the bar on
the 100th rep (which I failed on the first try, had to strip the
bar, re-rack the weights, and then hit the final rep) and started a countdown
in my head for 2 weeks, but the fear was gone.
I knew it was going to suck and I was going to hate it, but my mind was
at peace with that. To the point that,
the day before the final squat workout, I was hurting. I ate something bad, and was passing blood in
my stool through 10 trips to the bathroom.
I was dehydrated and my guts were cramping, but once the workout started,
I knew I was going to finish it. I hated
every single rep and set, but I knew it was getting me closer to being done,
and that was enough to get me through one of the hardest workouts of my life. Jon talks about “portals” in the program, and
I’m pretty sure this was me diving through one.
I realize how dramatic that all sounds, and it’s cringe inducing to have
to write it out, but it’s the honest truth.
LESSONS LEARNED,
TAKEAWAYS AND CLOSING THOUGHTS
For me, it's that reason more than just "sometimes"
For me, it's that reason more than just "sometimes"
-Just like
the beginner program, expect to limp for 6 days after the squat workout. Also expect to field a lot of questions of
“are you alright?”
-On the
above, I know people are going to get chapped that you only squat heavy once
every 2 weeks (same with deadlifts) and they’re going to get in their own heads
about frequency, but here are 2 things to consider. 1: as someone that had knee surgery, this is
the best my knees have felt in a LONG time.
Yeah, the day that I do the squat workout my knee flares up pretty good,
but after that I feel awesome and very painfree. Been a long time since I felt that. Meanwhile, I’m definitely still getting
stronger while employing the frequency of the program, and this is easily
measured by the fact that I’m able to progress per the schedule. Getting 100 reps done in 10 sets, then 9,
then 8 is absolute progress. This leads
to the second point in that Jon talks about being in a constant state of
recovery in order to ensure you are growing as much as possible, and I believe
the frequency achieves this effect.
People observe that they are always sore when they train a bodypart less
frequently, and with the frequency of this program, your legs get sore as hell
after squats and your back tends to get beat up with deads, and it’s because
they never get a chance to really adapt to the training style. Sure sure “soreness doesn’t mean anything”,
but maybe it DOES mean that we threw some stimulus at the body that it needs to
recover from. I think there is a method
to the madness.
-I think I
made the right call on the program changes here. You can make a sound argument that push press
is more “full body” than strict press, and better fits with the Deep Water
paradigm, but with a goal of maintaining strict pressing strength, alternating
seemed right.
-I honestly
wish I pushed the calories a little harder.
I was getting nutritionally lazy as time went on.
-You have to
remember that this program is more a challenge than anything else. I’ve seen people get chapped about doing 100
power cleans in a workout or 5x10 box jumps and how that won’t train power
well, but it’s honestly more about just gutting it out and getting it done.
-This program
remains one of the most effective programs I’ve ever used for increasing my
bench press, and that is while still benching only once a week.
-I
originally planned to do 75% of my 10rm for this program and then re-run it
with 80% to do the “true” intermediate program, but in all honesty this put me
through the wringer so bad that it’s just not on my radar. Instead, I’m going to give the advanced
program a shot for 6 weeks, and from there I’m thinking of just doing it all
over again with the beginner program set to higher percentages.
I'd tend to assume that many of the things that don't make sense in the program (or at least, don't make sense compared to what the rest of the program tells you) are legit printing errors. I don't know if there were multiple editions of the book or anything, but the version I've seen has some doozies - including one where the weight for weeks 5/6 is written as 80% of your 1RM rather than the 10RM it is everywhere else.
ReplyDeleteI make no claims to being sane but I cannot even fathom attempting that as written.
Thanks for this write up . I'm reading through the book right now and can definitely relate to the youth version of eating to excess. I still do, and I think it's not because I'm bad at dieting, but just don't possess the switch that says "you need to stop." We're it not for being active, being able to eat the same foods daily, and having an absolutely terrible diet, I would be Pud . I like that he says we can decide which foods to obsess over though, so for lunch I did 1/2lb BBQ chicken from the deli, 1/2 avocado, and 1 cucimber. Finished the other avocado half during my last break at work. Diinner I did a pound of beef with 4 cups of mixed veggies and a few tablespoons of sour cream. Basically replaced all my rice with veggies. Washed it down with a glass of milk .
ReplyDeleteI could probably, definitely, cut back, but this was more a test to see if I could feel alert on not having a lot of grains and so far I feel pretty ok. I'm happy this book talks about the psychological issues of eating.
Also, do you think running this program would benefit me in powerlifting? I have been thinking of running an actual program in the future either after my meet, either directly after or some time later if I don't feel like im enjoying the progress I am currently getting. How would doing swings instead of stairs fare as a change to the program for the conditioning day? My gym has a stair machine so it's not a substitute I would have to make, I just like them as a conditioning exercise.
ReplyDeleteDeep water intermediate led to bloody stool, mark me down as intrigued!
ReplyDeleteYou will find new and interesting ways to be broken, haha.
DeleteSaw your comment about empire on r/weight room, couldn't reply there as my account is disabled and I have no desire to reinstate it. As of now theres nobody set to host the strongman side, evan has opted out this year. Still possible, just an unknown. The rubrics are in contact with our gym though, can definitely keep you updated as it comes.
DeleteMost likely scenario at this point is that higa/sarge will take over. From what I've heard and seen, higa likes well rounded shows with a variety of types of events and sarge just likes shit old school. Whatever that means.
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DeleteAppreciate the inside details there man, and any updates you got would be awesome. Hopefully it'll still happen. It's become a decent tradition at this point.
DeleteSounds deadly. I’ll just run Super Squats instead. Great write-up. Do we still get another blog post on Sunday?
ReplyDeleteThis is the weekly post, haha. Just got it out a little earlier than usual.
DeleteHow long did sessions take?
ReplyDeleteFor the non-squat/deadlift workouts, I'd budget myself an hour to train. For squats and deads, it'd last about 1h40m to 2 hours. A fair amount of that time was just me lying on the floor feeling miserable, haha.
DeleteI am curious about the diet side of the program. If you look at his macro recommendations, they are 2xbw Protein and 1xbw Fat with minimal carbs. Then I look at his 200lb recommended diet and it comes out to 300g P and 285g F. Any thoughts or recommendations here?
ReplyDeleteI didn't count any macros or calories, but ate very high protein and fat with low carbs. It's how I tend to eat anyway, so it wasn't a big change for me.
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