Sunday, November 24, 2019

“I DIDN’T WANT ANY PART OF MIKE TYSON”




Folks, today is gonna be about boxing rather than lifting, but it’s really all the same.  The quote for the title of today’s post comes by way of George Foreman, in a recent interview.  For those of my readers who only known Mr. Foreman as the guy who sells electric grills, George was a 2 time heavyweight champion boxer, 2 time being significant in this instances as he experienced a 20 year gap between reigns as the champ.  This means that George got to fight in what many would argue to be the greatest era of heavyweight boxing ever: The era of Muhammad Ali, wherein George got to fight Ali, along with Joe Frazier (having beaten the latter twice, both to win and retain the heavyweight title) but ALSO means that, during his comeback era, he was around during the time of a prime Mike Tyson.  Mike and George never fought, despite how amazing of a match up it would have been.  George has been regarded by many to be one of, if not THE, hardest punchers to exist in the sport of boxing, with devastating power in both hands and a total willingness to stand and trade with any man, having weathered the punishing shots from Joe Frazier.  Tyson is a man who needs no introduction, and his rise to the top of the sport was like watching a sentient buzzsaw tear through unready heavyweight fighters.  How did this matchup never occur?  Because, as George said “I didn’t want any part of Mike Tyson.”



Starts at 14m and 45 seconds

https://youtu.be/4-incOaF0dE?t=14m45s


Before I go on, I am not going to hide, nor apologize for, my Mike Tyson fandom.  If you grew up in the 80s and early 90s like I did, you most likely feel the exact same way I do about Mike Tyson as a fighter (reviews are, I’m sure, mixed of him as a person, but it’s not what we’re here to discuss today).  Mike Tyson ruined pay-per-view parties, because his fights ended in 80 seconds.  Fighters could not form strategies to fight him based off fight tapes, because fights did not last long enough to figure out how he fought.  People always wondered if he could go the distance because he NEVER had to.  For the love of God, in the late 80s/early 90s, the most feared video bosses were Ganon, Dracula, and MIKE TYSON.  We were effectively conditioned to be afraid of this man, and in truth, before the UFC became REALLY big the whole world pretty much agreed that the baddest man on the planet was always going to be whoever held the heavyweight title in boxing, and Mike held ALL the titles.  Mike Tyson could be on chemotherapy and men my age would STILL be afraid to fight him TODAY.

HOWEVER, Mike never tends to get ranked as the best of the best in boxing, and it’s due to a fair critique: during his reign as champ, he didn’t fight anyone that was particularly skilled.  He tore through all available opposition: it just so happened that the opposition that was available wasn’t great.   He beat an over the hill Larry Holmes, but that was about it, and his loss in the Buster Douglas fight proved that he COULD be stopped by someone that had a solid gameplan against him.  Foreman, with his many decades of experience, to including against fighting some of the best to have ever lived, means he very well could have put together a solid plan against Mike.  To the point that, when asked, Foreman in the same interview is assured he would have won.  He doesn’t waffle on it, he doesn’t go back and forth, and doesn’t even say that on a good day Mike would have had him: he is very confident that, if they had met up in Tyson’s prime, he would have won.  And yet, within the same interview, he said he wanted nothing to do with Mike Tyson.


Quite possibly due to dialogue like this

Why?  “Because he is a monster.  Mike is something you see in nightmares.  And you just hope you wake up.”  George went on the say “If he misses you with the left, he hits with the right, and if he misses with the right…he bites you!”  And it fundamentally showed what made Mike so much different than anyone else in his era, or really, anyone else in his profession.  Some boxers showed up to box, and some showed up to win, and some even showed up to fight, but Mike, quite frankly, showed up to hurt people.  He had “bad intentions”, to quote Jack Dempsey (who, in his fight with Jess Willard, showcased such brutal domination that, quite frankly, in today’s combat sporting era, he would have actually been charged with assault, battery and attempt murder in the ring).  And even if you are the superior boxer, even if victory is assured, even if you’ve fought “better” people: no one wanted to fight a man like Mike Tyson.

Because of this, Mike so often won his fights before they even began.  His opposition was so terrified of Mike that they froze up, abandoned their gameplan, and went limp as soon as they were hit to try to make the pain stop.  Fighting him became like riding a rodeo bull: dudes were just holding on for the bragging rights of longest time.  And now we observe that he even had a shield to protect his legacy built in with this mentality.  There was George Foreman, on his comeback, still a contender, eyeing up the heavyweight title, seeing Mike Tyson there, KNOWING that he could win, and saying “…nah, I think I’ll wait this one out.”  As I wrote about before, Mike became “more trouble than he was worth”, and in doing so, he crushed those that were beneath his skills and even defeated those allegedly superior to him through just sheer, unbridled nastiness.

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Every Mike Tyson fight came with free facial reconstructive surgery

I love this, because it shows just how much one can be simply by changing how they THINK about something.  I’ll cop to Mike having not been the best boxer ever.  Hell, he may not have even been the best boxer Cus D’Amato trained.  Floyd Patterson was an intelligent and well regarded student of Cus that obtained Olympic gold and was the youngest man to hold the heavyweight title PRIOR to Mike, having made very effective use of the exact same “peek-a-boo” style of boxing employed by Mike.  However, Floyd never got to win the fights before they started, and, in fact, endured such horrific mockery from Muhammad Ali that some argue that it may have been responsible for the ending of his boxing career as a whole.  Put that same skillset (or a lacking one perhaps) in Mike Tyson and pair it with Mike’s “bad intentions” and suddenly things flip.  Suddenly the boxing “style” takes a back seat to the boxer himself, and now it doesn’t matter if he’s a slugger or a boxer or a puncher or a counter fighter: he’s got bad intentions, and he came here to hurt you. 

You have the same ability.  You are born with your own limitations.  Your genetics, height, structure, etc etc.  There are some things you do not have the power to change.  But you ALWAYS have the power to change how you think about things, and how you approach them.  And if you approach them like a monster, like a nightmare, like a man with “bad intentions”, like someone who came here to hurt people, you’re not just going to beat those that are worse than you: you’re going to beat those that are BETTER than you that don’t want any part of you.  Some folks can make themselves bigger, stronger, faster and better than you: make it so that no one can make themselves nastier than you.              


3 comments:

  1. You know, reading this, I couldn't help but think of lifters like Kaz, Mark Henry and Big Z, as I feel like they are some of those who possess an attitude and attributes that make them akin to "nightmares" and "monsters". I mean, heard stories about Kaz's competitors being afraid of him and about him looking and lifting like a hellbent lunatic; I heard about how strong Mark Henry was and how much he accomplished with relatively little training; I've seen and heard about how strong and dominant Z was.

    Imagine having to lift against Kaz--> You're going up against a man who you -know- is a lunatic and will stop at nothing to do what he must. And to boot, he has been simultaneously the world's strongest man as well as the world's strongest powerlifter, if I'm not mistaken.
    Imagine having to lift against Henry--> You're facing a man who you know has crushed records and other absurd numbers without even putting his all into the training that preceded those feats. And he looks like a damn silverback and you can only imagine where his mind goes during his psych ups.
    Imagine having to lift against Big Z--> You probably believe him to be the strongest man who ever lived, you probably have had a glimpse of his countless inhuman feats of strength and you know he is a man who just does not quit and is often unpredictable. And good luck getting your head right after you know you're going to loglift against him.

    Like you, I believe that what makes some people great isn't just their physical attributes, but also their mindset, attitude and demeanor. Some have it, some don't, and we all know very well who is who.
    I love the points you've made about "being more trouble than you're worth.

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    1. Appreciate the comment dude. I honestly see Zydrunas and Mark Henry a bit more like Foreman in this regard. Both very serious, accomplished, strong athletes. But with strongman being the way it is, there isn't too much ability to put fear in the opposition. However, Kaz had the fortune of being in an era where the competitors did sumo, and he definitely used fear to win some matches. I was at his seminar and he talked about his '82 victory with a blown out hamstring and his strategy to win sumo was to just whip himself up into a frenzy so that the other dude got out of his way. Kaz had mastered the crazy eyes and had been winning in the sport for so long and so dominantly that he had been calling himself "the strongest man who ever lived" and people weren't questioning it, so suddenly you line up against him on the sumo field, see that he's pissed off, and decide you want no part of it.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpDXZ22LARM

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  2. First of all, I gotta apologize in case my words came across as a jumbled mess, haha, English isn't my first language.

    Agreed, you totally got where I was going.
    Yeah, I feel like these days, the folks at the top of the Strongman crop are such a special breed that fear means little to nothing to them, absolutely, and it's harder to take advantage of these days. I was wondering more about how, on an unconscious level, some level of intimidation *might* creep into someone who is facing monsters such as Z or Henry and affect performance.

    Kaz is Kaz; he has that sui generis demeanor and he was able to instill fear in a couple of his opponents. What you've just said about him is precisely my point ! I had heard about that story about him; he just made others feel like they wanted no part of him, absolutely. Had he acted more normally, he would have likely gotten in trouble because of his blown hamstring. He did show utter dominance in that clip, haha.
    Must have been great to attend his seminar.

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