I just
watched Jon Andersen most recent appearance on Mark Bell’s podcast, and I’d say
a good 80% of the dialogue, if not more, was focused on diet. This makes sense, given the fact that Jon is
a bit of an anomaly in the world of getting bigger and stronger as he (for
those that are unfamiliar with his work) is staunchly low/anti-carb. He has compared carbs to drugs, refers to
people that eat carbs as “carb users”, and expresses an idea of utilizing them
only in extreme circumstances in limited dosages, to include while trying to
hold onto bodyweight while recovering from surgery and for fuel during INTENSE
competitions. All this said, here I am,
now also talking about nutrition, when my plan was to express my disappointment
in how little Jon talked about his training.
Jon is ALSO unique in the world of getting big and strong just by how
brutally hard he trains. He regularly
had a feature in Mark’s “Power” magazine that discussed Jon’s training sessions
and, with it, the origins of the “Deep Water” philosophy…but when pressed to
talk on the subject, Jon always likes to discuss how training only does about
25% of the work for results, whereas nutrition makes up the other 75%. Jon isn’t unique in expressing this ideas,
as many other successful trainees have had quotes ranging anywhere from 75-100%
of results being a product of nutrition.
What’s interesting about these quotes on nutrition is what is left
UNSAID about training: specifically, that intensity is a given.
Before I go
further, I have to do this every time I talk about “intensity”: I am NOT
referring to the super nerdy exercise science definition meaning “percentage of
1rm.” Why THAT got to be how we define
intensity, I’ll never understand. But
anyway, I’m using it in the way any normal human would understand it: how hard
we break ourselves in training. And I’ve
written before on just how difficult it is to explain intensity to someone that
has never actually pushed themselves before: they lack the necessary frame of
reference to even understand the dialogue.
Like trying to explain the color red to someone that was born blind,
language simply lacks an ability to adequate convey the sensation. But those that know know and, in turn, for
those people, intensity is a given…but what is the implication there?
Jon talks
about how the training doesn’t matter, and even I have said “it’s hard to lift
weights wrong”, because when taken from the 1000 mile perspective it’s very
true. There are SO many avenues to
success in training, but all these avenues ASSUME that the trainee is going to
apply 100% skull splitting intensity into whatever it is that they do. Once again: it’s a given. It’s honestly taken for granted: every author
of every program is assuming that the trainee is going to work as hard as they
can in order to actually AFFECT growth.
Yes: even submax training ala 5/3/1.
Listen/read how many times Jim Wendler talks about barspeed and rep quality:
even when you aren’t pushing your body to its breaking point, you’re still
applying “maximal intensity”: it’s simply being invested in rep quality rather
than stressing the muscles.
THERE is your intensity
Once this
necessary degree of intensity is established, training really DOES become easy:
just repeat what you’re doing and do it for a LONG time without long
breaks. We’re back to my “3 variables”:
effort, consistency and time. Those last
2 are easy as long as you get the first one figured out and can keep
replicating it. From there, pick any way
of training that you like and keep it up.
Different individuals respond better to different training from a
PERSONALITY standpoint: some need percentages, some hate them, some are single
set dudes, some are high volume dudes, etc.
Don’t try to force a square peg into a round hole on this one: you’ll work
against your nature and, in turn, be unable to bring the necessary intensity to
your training to be able to actually drive any sort of physical
transformation. Instead, pick a method
of training that you gravitate toward such that you can put maximal intensity
into its execution, EXECUTE it, keep doing so for a long time and you will
observe some significant growth.
Once this
intensity IS a given, THEN we start manipulating nutrition and observing the
changes. But that intensity has to be
there FIRST. How many times have we seen
the trainee with the “perfect” diet: all organic, free range, healthy food in
the right macronutrient rations, perfectly timed…wondering why all they did was
get fat on a bulk and scrawny on a cut?
It’s because the intensity WASN’T a given for that individual: they put
all of their energy into their food and none of it into their training. Yes: a sound diet can have you looking better
than the AVERAGE person, simply because you’re caring about what you put into
your body and this can easily reflect outward, but in order to achieve some
manner of actual physical transformation, one must place a demand on their body
TO transform, and this comes from intense training that pushes past comfort
zones and taps into dark parts of the mind in order to get things done.
And this, in
turn, is why we hear the stories of frustrated young trainees wondering why all
the big dumb meatheads at their gym are seeing such awesome results while the
trainee is floundering: you’re observing dudes that found a style of training
that resonates with their personality such that they’re willing to pour in the
necessary degree of intensity to affect change, and from there they eat well
enough to cause growth to occur. And why
do these big dumb meatheads only eat chicken, rice and broccoli and drink water
from gallon jugs? Because we’re starting
to figure out that getting jacked REALLY doesn’t require you to be all that
smart and, in fact, intelligence might be holding you back: what’s mattering
here is intensity and compliance, and sometimes being a little dumb makes those
two things a lot easier to obtain.
Get out of
your own way on this one. It’s honestly
tough for me to read about training METHOD book because there just doesn’t seem
to be anything worth talking about when it comes to training. I’ve found what resonates with me, and at
this point all I care to read about or look up is just various means of
achieving that effect. I like reading
about new training MOVEMENTS, just so I can throw them into a brutal
conditioning circuit (which, on that note, I’ve been doing Devil’s presses a
TON recently, and they’re legit). I like
seeing psycho WODs people have come up with that I can slot into a daily conditioning
challenge. I like reading about challenge
workouts that are just one offs rather than part of an actual program. And beyond that, I just like reading people
talking ABOUT lifting but not actually talking about lifting, ie: most of what
Paul Kelso and Dan John’s work is about.
The intensity is a given: what we do with it really doesn’t matter.
I had a fairly successful bulk recently wherein I decided to just hit each session with more volume than the last. It really hit that "love your eating, hate your training" mentality until I just kind of got pissed off at both.
ReplyDeleteBut the intensity, I like to think, was there, because I do remember collapsing after the biggest set of squats, every time, and at one time ended up choking because my throat closed up.
Definitely not a sustainable pace though so it's nice to just coast for a bit, also.
Yup. That's the whole "blast and cruise" Dante talks about. Same with prescribed deloads ala 5/3/1. The successful dudes figured it out: you can't gain all the time, and if you CAN, you're not training hard enough.
DeleteI've always liked Wendler's take on barspeed, it always felt more sustainable to me than max effort work, or even AMRAP sets. At least for main lifts ( assistance work still works best for me when AMRAP'd or rest-paused ).
ReplyDeleteIf the weight doesn't feel maximally heavy, then move it faster to make up for it. Makes intuitive sense when you think about, which for a long time I didn't.
I always like Wendler's take on progression in general - speed, recovery, reps, and bar path are all different aspects of strength, in addition to maximum weight moved.
DeleteMaybe it's the computer nerd in me, but Wendler's style of percentages and template based programming always resonated with me. Lots of little variables you can tweak, but all that does is shift the intensity - are we doing Widomaker sets and training endurance, or Joker sets and training maximum output.
Jim has mastered the longview, and it upsets SO many people who want it NOW, haha. That's really probably the biggest "secret" to this whole thing: patience.
DeleteDefinitely tried to go Super Saiyan multiple times before…no shame in admitting that. Great write-up caused some self-reflection.
ReplyDeleteMuch appreciated dude. I'm STILL a DBZ fanboy at heart. Anime in my high school years was probably one of the biggest fitness influences I had, which is why I go insane when people talk about unrealistic standards ruining trainees, haha. Dude, you think holding yourself up to an instagram influencer on tren is hard, go try to be an alien from a race that was literally bred for combat.
DeleteI had to think about you when Jon was at Mark's podcast. It was a cool episode and I would have liked to hear more about the training. Instead of reading the insane Deep Water training stories, hearing them would have been great.
ReplyDeleteHa, I still try to become a SSJ. I even have a shirt with Goku stating "training to become super saiyan" :)
I started 5/3/1 Boring but Big a few weeks ago because I needed to simplify my training and still get stronger and bigger. I started to tread all of my work with intensity and not just most of it. The 5x10 work in it, I started to tread like speed work, aiming to get the most out of it. And it's hard work to move lighter weights as fast on rep 50 as on rep 1.
Once again a great article!
Totally with you: I was wanting Jon to talk more about training, and that's when I realized it's never HIM telling stories: it's the people training WITH him saying "this dude is nuts". To Jon, it's just getting after it, and he doesn't think one way or the other about it, and THAT is such a powerful lesson: he's normalized the intensity.
DeleteAppreciate the feedback! Best of luck with that training.