Saturday, September 30, 2017

MY UNDERSTADNING OF “WESTSIDE BARBELL”



Once again, props to Will Ruth of r/strongman forpitching this idea to me.  Westside has regained some popularity now with the upcoming release of “Westside vs The World”, and people are starting to dig back into the training.  In turn, people are starting to jump to the same wrong conclusions and make the same mistakes that many of us made back in the day when Westside was super popular, and I figure I can at least share my perspective, experiences and understandings in the hopes that it clears things up slightly.  Of course, that’s a big hope, because this always ends up being a gigantic mess, but one can hope eh?

To establish my own experience, let me give a brief history of what the internet lifting world was like in the early 2000s.  Back then, lifting was basically either bodybuilding or powerlifting.  If you weren’t one, you were the other.  If it turned out you were a powerlifter, what it really meant was that you were running Westside Barbell, because this was the only “powerlifting program” the internet knew about.  Well, I take that back; we all knew about linear periodization, but we also all knew that was garbage, because come on, it wasn’t CONJUGATE periodization.  To understand why we thought this, check out Dave Tate’s “Periodization Bible” articles, which had hit the net in the late 90s.  Now, the real, actual, honest to god powerlifters out there were using a whole bunch of different approaches, but in the land of the internet, the only thing we knew about was Westside Barbell.

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Although, somehow, we still knew this was a bad idea

As such, we yahoo’d (remember; early 2000s) the “Westside Barbell Template” or bought the Elifefts basic training manual or bought a copy of Powerlifting USA and found an article written by Louie and figured out that Westside was Max Effort (ME), Repetition Effort (ME) and Dynamic Effort (DE).

And here is what we all screwed up and what I now know.

MAX EFFORT

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Probably an RPE 8...maybe 8.5


What we did wrong:

We believed that the max effort work was where strength was BUILT.  This is where you lift heavy weights for low reps, so as such, of course, it’s where you get stronger on the program.  Additionally, since this was powerlifting (the sport of the squat, bench and deadlift), of course you want your ME movements to be squats, benches and deadlifts.  MAYBE make them a little different, like close grip bench for 1 week, but in general, you gotta practice the big movements a lot to get better at them.  And, of course, you need to always beat your previous PRs from last ME day, because otherwise you aren’t getting stronger; you’re getting weaker.  How else will you know if the program is working if you’re not testing it?



How it SHOULD work:

ME work is where strength is PRACTICED, not built.  Specifically, you’re practicing the ability to STRAIN against a heavy load, which is a pretty crucial element in powerlifting or any sport of lifting maximal poundages.  There is a big difference between the reps you crank out on a 10 rep set vs one you do for a max single or triple, and a lot of different physical qualities come into play on the latter.  You want to be experienced in knowing how to best recruit your body to the task while staying tight, strong, and in position.

In turn, the goal of ME work is max STRAIN, not max weight lifted.  Depending on how your training cycle is going, you might show up to an ME workout and hit a PR compared to a previous ME work but it was so smooth you didn’t strain.  This means you didn’t really accomplish the goal of ME work.  Consequently, you might be having a bad day and end up using 50lbs less than a previous workout, but you blow out all your blood vessels and collapse on the floor. Congrats, goal accomplished; you achieved max strain.

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Hey look: it worked!

In turn, you don’t need to use the competition lifts all the time to accomplish this goal, and this is why Louie advocated rotating the implements; to keep from getting burnt out from straining the exact same way over and over every week.  To do otherwise would be to invite overuse injury, but by changing the stimulus, you have a chance to spend a week being bad at the lift due to a lack of practice and then can spend another week or 2 moving heavier poundages as your skill improves before you move on to something else.  It necessarily auto-regulates poundages moved while still allowing you to strain.  And, consequently, since straining is a less specific skillset, using different implements (as long as they’re SOMEWHAT similar to the competition lifts) should carryover to your more specialized movements.  Ideally, you already have some mastery of the technique of the competition lifts, but if not, your time to practice them is on dynamic effort day.  ME day is about getting better at straining, not at the competition lifts.



REPETITION EFFORT

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Amazingly, this sums up my experience with dynamic effort

What we did wrong:

The only way to get stronger is by lifting heavy weights for few reps, right?  Well after all that ME work, we’d keep it up by doing pretty much the same lift again for 4-5 sets of 5.  In fact, let’s go set some PRs in the repetition effort work.  Max stack facepulls, max stack pushdowns, man, I’m going to get so strong!



How it SHOULD work:

RE is where we actually get strong; not ME.  This should make sense, when you consider that RE work makes up 80% of the training in most of Westside.  It also makes sense when you consider that every other strength athlete in the world knew this BUT us idiots on the internet.  Lifting weights through a broad spectrum of rep ranges with a bunch of different angles accumulates volume, which is a driver of hypertrophy, which is necessary for building a baseline of strength.  Ability to move heavier loads is a skill that is developed with practice, and the ME day allows for that, but in terms of the actual BUILDING of strength, this is happening in the RE movements.

This means that focus needs to be placed on generated the necessary degree of strain on the MUSCLES needed to improve the competition lifts.  We’d get caught up in number and PR chasing on the RE work and in turn strengthen our strengths while leaving our weaknesses the same.  This is the time to do the things you are bad at so that you can get stronger at the things you are good at.

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Granted, for most people, this is conditioning

And don’t get me wrong; Dave Tate has a good “supplemental vs assistance” philosophy that explains the differences in the RE work, but the biggest thing to keep in mind is that these are muscle building movements rather than strength practice movements.  Westside wasn’t all that mysterious, it was pretty much what most powerlifters were doing everywhere else; lift something heavy, then go lift some lighter stuff.

Also, we were idiots because we bought all the hype of what the Westside lifters were doing, not realizing that most of them were geared and we were raw.  And this is nothing against Louie Simmons, because that’s simply who he was training AND it was what powerlifting actually WAS back then. But the approach to Westside raw is going to be vastly different than geared when it comes to RE work, with more emphasis placed on pecs, quads, and shoulders than we see with geared lifting.  And this is up to the USER to figure out.  You can’t just be lazy and copy someone else’s routine.



DYNAMIC EFFORT WORK



I got nothing here folks.  Never been able to figure this stuff out.  Magic maybe? 


Once again, I never trained at Westside, this is all just my rambling, but further along now, this makes so much more sense and is so much easier to implement.  Hopefully it helps you.


10 comments:

  1. I continue to be amazed at how many people, myself included, manage to fuck up conjugate by refusing to modify things. Give them an actual specific program like (just to pick an example at random) Juggernaut and within a week they'll have skullfucked it into something that bears no resemblance to the original. Give them a template that has "modify as needed" stamped on it and all of a sudden they think it's holy writ.

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    1. Hah! That's an amazing observation. Too true. In general, people are only willing to modify something OR stick with the program if it makes them happy. The same people that throw 1000 different assistance exercises into a 5/3/1 program are the same people that say they don't want to do conditioning while running Starting Strength because they don't want to mess with the program.

      But yeah, I jacked this up something fierce back in the day. Still managed to get strong by training hard and believing in the program (I was "doing Westside" afterall), but left a lot on the table too.

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  2. "Will Ruth of /r/strongman" makes me sound like the shittiest knight of the round table.

    I lol'd when I got to DE. My mistake on this was not understanding the physiological concepts behind "speed work" and ending up in training no man's land.

    Either you're doing to think about DE as speed work and treat it like a neural drive day. This would be the "athlete's DE day," if you will, and looks more like Defranco's program. Box jumps, throws, dynamic pushups, etc. To maximize neural drive, "true speed," your weights should be in the 30-40% range.

    Or you're going to do a "lifter's DE day," which is less about pure speed and more about specific practice with the contest lifts. Common misconception here about WS percentages. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe they did most of their DE work raw or in light gear, but calculated off of their fully equipped 1RM, then they added bands or chains TO that weight. So dinguses like me were taking 65% of our raw 1RM and doing "speed work" when we should've been more like 80-85% and thinking about it as practice THEN speed.

    The result of the misapplication to raw lifting was neither going light enough to maximize neural drive nor going heavy enough to get any specific practice on the competition lifts.

    Somehow, we understood this much earlier in strongman. Maybe because there are so many lifts and we actually felt like we needed to *practice* them. Stuff like log EMOM at 80% for 10-15 sets of 1-2 is basically perfect for the raw DE lifter. Hard work, specific practice, neural conditioning, body tempering, plenty of reps, etc. Not 10x1@60%.

    WR

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    1. I think the "magic" to WS DE day was the gut-busting effort, basically like another RE day but with lower reps and more specific lifts, and most of us raw lifters totally missed the bus on that and intentionally or unintentionally treated it like an off day because the weights were so damn light that it basically was.

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    2. Holy cow, that was an amazing explanation for DE work, and I completely fell into exactly the trap you describe. You truly earned your knighthood with that, haha. The temptation to make DE day a conditioning day is pretty high for me as it is, and that makes it seem pretty viable.

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    3. "Conditioning" is about as broad a term as "athleticism," so it really just depends on what kind of conditioning you're talking about. Neural conditioning, sure, *maybe* short-time anaerobic conditioning (<15s effort), but you'd have to stay out of the really silly zone of your prowler marathons and whatnot, so not long duration anaerobic conditioning or aerobic conditioning. Past 15-30 seconds of continuous effort and you're basically back in RE training, which for conditioning's sake means getting better at being slow. I think Alsruhe does his DE work as conditioning in his programs, but they're very short bursts of exercises repeated a bunch of times to stay in the DE zone of effort. Think Clint Darden does the same. Things started making a lot more sense once I started looking at it as 1. specific practice and 2. energy system work, rather than sets/reps/%RM.

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  3. Disclaimer : I know almost nothing about proper strength training. I am a victim of the generation '' just do SS/SL for a beginner with linear prog. or you are a pussy and aren't making progress fast enough''.

    1)I would love an article 5/3/1 vs westside from you.

    2)Would a combination of westside and 5/3/1 work ? Wendler does just the 4 basic moves. Have you ever tried 5/3/1 or something like that, but with rotating moves ? Say, dips 5/3/1 instead of bench or say some deadlift variaton 5/3/1 instead of conventional.And then the RE part would be say the 5x10, 3x10, 50-100 reps etc that wendler does.

    As an ignorant weightlifter who failed Starting Strength I feel like running around like a headless chicken with all these programms, so I would try to combine them, to keep me sane.

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    1. Hey man, appreciate the suggestions. It'd be hard for me to do a versus article on the topic, as I've never really trained at Westside nor can I really claim to fully understand it enough to discuss it in that regard. I have a much firmer grasp of 5/3/1.

      I haven't tried different movements for 5/3/1. I know many folks have, and the programming should still work. That said, if you're talking about rotating them as often as one would with Westside, I don't see a great benefit to that, as you're staying away from ME with 5/3/1.

      I have combined ME work with 5/3/1, in that I was using 5/3/1 for press and bench and ME work for squat and deadlift during a week. I find that pretty successful, and will most likely employ it while prepping for my next competition.

      Rather than combine programs, I'd run them as they are for now to be able to figure out how they work and what specifically works for you. It's a long process to work through, but doing it gets you better.

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    2. Butting my head in, I have seen one way in which Westside-ish stuff has been added to 5/3/1 and it seemed to work for that person. There may be others but I've never run across them. And it has to do with adding supplemental (in the conjugate sense) work. 5/3/1 doesn't really play nice with rapidly changing your main movements because its hard to do that when you're also trying to build up momentum on a lift over several four or six week cycles. But it's more possible to cycle the secondary big lifts on a regular basis if you've got a SST-style template going on.

      I've also seen people do pretty well running conjugate programming but using 5/3/1 progression to handle their supplemental movements.

      Would I recommend either approach to someone who hasn't spent some time with the basic program as-written? Generally not. The more complex you make these things and the more you deviate from the work already done, the more room you give yourself to screw things up. At some point you've got to experiment but to be all science nerdy you've got to have a control to compare against before you can say 'this improved the program for me'.

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    3. Joe,

      I did something similar to this when I was relatively new to lifting and it went terribly. Combining programs is one of the biggest mistakes I made and have seen others make. Much more to be gained from committing to one and doing it for 12-16 weeks before re-assessing. The program isn't the magic, the effort is. 5/3/1, WS, and a host of other programs can all improve strength and muscle mass given consistent effort over a decent chunk (12-16+ weeks) of time.

      To answer your question specifically, the reason rotating movements on 5/3/1 didn't work for me is that I never got good enough at any of them to actually see any progress. Use 5/3/1 to get better AND stronger at the main lifts, then introduce variety in the assistance work if you want more variety. Such as:

      1. Bench: 5/3/1
      2. Any OHP supersetted with any pull: 5x10
      3. Any bodyweight or dumbbell press: 3 x max reps
      4. Circuit of any biceps, triceps, shoulder isolation lifts

      Plenty of variety there and you can still commit to learning and developing and improving the main work lift.

      WR

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